The Dog Show Drive - Canadian Edition

[00:00:05] Speaker A: Hey Jose, here's another one for your collection, eh? Hey look, Bootle. [00:00:11] Speaker B: Hey, how come you're not playing hockey, eh? [00:00:15] Speaker C: How did you do that? Look out, eh? Now I think he just pressed one. [00:00:22] Speaker B: Of these buttons here. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Take off. You. You don't know. Confined under the psychiatric care. Hi everybody. Will Alexander here with the inaugural edition of the Canadian Dog Show Drive. Dog Show Drive Canada. I'm Will Alexander. [00:00:45] Speaker B: And I'm Yvonne Norton. [00:00:47] Speaker A: And we're going to talk about happenings in Canada this week. We're going to talk about our week, are we? We're going to talk about Ontario environment at dog shows right now, which is touch and go. [00:00:59] Speaker B: Yes. [00:01:00] Speaker A: And then we go right into Darkness and Delight with Mary Dukes, which is a very interesting section. And then we're going to follow up with Across Canada. All that and more and more on. [00:01:11] Speaker B: The Canadian Dog Show Drive Canadian edition. [00:01:40] Speaker A: Hi everybody. Welcome to the Dog Show Drive Indian edition. Brought to you from the home office in copacon Ontario. I'm your host, Will Alexander and your co host is Yvonne Norton. Well, which I just call. Why? Because I've always just called her why? Yvonne used to work for me when I was handling dogs and she worked for me for a long time. It seems. Seemed like forever anyway, so. [00:02:05] Speaker B: Thanks, thanks. That made me feel good. It was a forever ago. It wasn't forever, it was two children ago. We're now in their 20s. [00:02:16] Speaker A: Well, yes, yes, yes. And one of them has worked for me. [00:02:21] Speaker B: That's true too. [00:02:23] Speaker A: So we decided to do this though because we wanted to do a Canadian show scene update each week for everybody. Not just the show scene, dog scene in general, everything. We're gonna have a lot of American input as well too, so be both. But we're gonna be primarily Canadian because we're gonna talk about stuff. Like the great couple and stuff you guys just don't know about. [00:02:44] Speaker B: Exactly. We're here to educate. [00:02:47] Speaker A: That's right. So how, how is the weather up there and where you are now? Because Yvonne is north. Not as north like she's northern. More northern than I am. I'm only as north as like Detroit. [00:03:01] Speaker B: Yes. But I'm not as north as. None of it. [00:03:05] Speaker A: Oh, we'll have none of that. [00:03:09] Speaker B: I gave you that one. So the weather up here, it's frightful. It's, it's. Well, it's crap right now because it keeps raining instead of snowing then. I know no one wants it to snow, but it is about time. So no. [00:03:24] Speaker A: Is cleaner than rain though. Yeah. Especially in the dog world. [00:03:27] Speaker B: Yes. Exactly. So. Oh, well, it is what it is. [00:03:31] Speaker A: So we've had a lot of rain as well and dogs get all muddy. [00:03:35] Speaker B: Yes. So first things first, Will, how. I think everyone would like to know because you kind of disappeared for a little bit there. How are you feeling? How are you doing? [00:03:46] Speaker A: I'm doing very well considering, like, I was in the hospital from, like August 6th to October. So I was in the hospital for quite some time. And I'm going to like, full disclosure, it was. It was a bowel of obstruction. They do emergency surgery. They had to do it twice. So I'm full of scars and whatnot. And I'm not going to lie to you. I have a cloth me bag now, which is something that I have to deal with, but it's not permanent. I will be doing another surgery in February, I believe, and that'll be one of two. I've got two more surgeries ahead of me. As long as I can stay strong and keep getting better shape, which I feel each day, I feel in better shape. And I. I have to. Again, I have to thank the dog world. I was. It was totally overwhelming, the response I got from the dog world. I have a hard time talking about it because it was. It was, like I said, overwhelming. It was like I can't even talk about it. But. And, and the friends that jumped in, like Wayne Kavanaugh, he's. He might as well have a Superman cape on. He's unbelievable. Monica park, she was my pit bull when I was. When I thought I, I was. I was. I. They had me so drugged up. Why. That I thought my roommate was Burton Cummings, backup singer. I didn't have a room. I know it was awesome. But there was no. There was no roommate. [00:05:26] Speaker B: Unfortunate. [00:05:28] Speaker A: No. [00:05:28] Speaker B: I know Monica. I know Monica. She went to the map for you a lot. Because her and I had quite a. [00:05:33] Speaker A: Few conversations and I can't. I got. I don't want to start saying names because there were so many of them that just. [00:05:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:41] Speaker A: And the first three weeks are, like I said, a blur to me. I don't remember. Hardly remember anything. Yeah, I know. My mom was there every day. My sister was there. Like, we love you, Pam. But she. I'd wake up and there she was. She'd just be reading another book and it was always a different book each day because you got through a book a day almost. [00:06:06] Speaker B: He's a speed reader. [00:06:08] Speaker A: She is good on Pam. He's like Spencer on Criminal Minds. [00:06:14] Speaker B: He is good. [00:06:16] Speaker A: That's Spencer. But, yeah, things are. Things are going very well. Now though, I've been to a few dog shows for a couple hours now to see people and. And it's given me a chance to get things done at home, so. Good. Yeah. And I'm walking again. Like that was the strangest thing. When I first woke up, I didn't know anything was wrong with my legs and I. And I went to do something and I couldn't move. [00:06:39] Speaker B: I thought, was it just atrophy? [00:06:42] Speaker A: I had pinched a nerve in. They thought it was my back at first. And then eventually the neurologist did their test. They found there was a nerve behind my knee. [00:06:52] Speaker B: Wasn't your sciatica? [00:06:56] Speaker A: Which I've had a lot of. [00:06:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:59] Speaker A: Unlike. I've had no goat though, like your mother. But anyway. [00:07:03] Speaker B: Yeah, no more. She gets the goat. [00:07:06] Speaker A: But yeah, that was the oddest thing, that I couldn't just get out of bed and walk to the, to the bathroom. Yeah, I couldn't do it. And then. But now I'm walking and I. And I was, I was. The other day I was running, walking across my front lawn. I thought, I'm gonna try running across this front lawn to see if I can run and show a dog like that dog. I'm not Irish. Setter speed, beagle speed. [00:07:29] Speaker B: All right, all right. [00:07:30] Speaker A: So I did it. And somebody asked you what, what were you being chased by? I said my ego. But anyway, things are on the upswing. [00:07:40] Speaker B: And so you're on the men's and you're judging. You are judging in next month then, right? [00:07:47] Speaker A: I have an assignment, just a one day assignment in Brantford Kennel Club. I'm gonna do hounds and sporting and it's only not even an hour away, so I'm gonna. That'll be my test. I did my. Actually did my first handling class this week. Oh yes. My first class back and it went really well. I was a little tired afterwards, you know, like bend over and go with the dogs each time. [00:08:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:13] Speaker A: Mark out orders and stuff like that, so. [00:08:16] Speaker B: Well, you still have a few weeks before Brentford, right? [00:08:19] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll be fine. I'll be fine. [00:08:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure he will be. I'm sure he will be. [00:08:24] Speaker A: What, what else happened? What happened? What happened in your week, Yvonne? [00:08:30] Speaker B: Well, I was working mostly as I do, but on Sunday I had my final sanctioned match. So I am now ready to put my. I'm going to apply to be a judge. [00:08:45] Speaker A: So what are you judging? Thank you for judging. Most of, the, most of the time that I've known you, you've been judged Judging. [00:08:52] Speaker B: But anyway, that comes from my mother's side. Just let you know. [00:08:59] Speaker A: Anyway, what saying, what club held your sanction match for you? [00:09:05] Speaker B: It was the North Shore Dog Club and they're a relatively new club. I do actually belong to that club. So they were very gracious and offered me a sanction match. My other match, the other local club did for me, the Lakehead Kennel Club. But I was. I was so I was getting the plumped because I didn't. I couldn't believe the numbers of people that came out to support me. And at this time of year, like a lot of people don't have puppies left to show because everybody's shown puppies through the summer and you know, not. Not a lot of people need ring time. But, you know, they dragged out their specials for me so that I could have, you know, graduates numbers. Yeah, my numbers. And we have to. [00:09:46] Speaker A: We have to reach a certain amount of numbers in our sanction matches. [00:09:49] Speaker B: Yes. [00:09:50] Speaker A: To add to our ring stewarding hours. Yeah, yeah. [00:09:53] Speaker B: The total is 100 tests together. So we did. So I was thrilled about that. And then I was also very touched by just the number of people that I've known for my entire, like my entire dog show life. And we got our first show dog when I was 4. So a long time that just came to watch and support me. And it was. I was, I was very, very touched. [00:10:17] Speaker A: So I've always thought you were a little touched. That's great. [00:10:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, my week made up to the pot. I'm gonna go into this. This is for the Canadians out there this week. We had the great cup. We had the great cup in British Columbia. It started off with Prince Harry because he was in the business. I know, I'm like, Prince Harry, he was there talking about the football game and whatnot. And he was. [00:10:49] Speaker B: That's what he was. [00:10:50] Speaker A: Yeah, he was. He was there. He was talking about the Invictus games, but he talking about our game. And he. I think he was enjoying himself. And the Argos came out there with. There was 100, 111th grade cup and that was the Argos 19th grade cup win. Which is the most wins, I think, for one team. [00:11:10] Speaker B: Yes. [00:11:10] Speaker A: And that's the oldest sports team. Argos are the oldest organized sports team in North America. Yes. And. But I did question one thing, and nothing against the Jonas Brothers, you know. [00:11:27] Speaker B: No, but with the amount of. [00:11:32] Speaker A: The amount of talent in Canada, why did we have to choose a band from elsewhere to do our halftime show? We have so much talent in Canada and That my. What I want to see next year. Next year. The Great Cups in Winnipeg. Yes. And I think that this would be the best half time if they did a guess who reunion. [00:11:59] Speaker B: Yes. [00:12:00] Speaker A: Half time, because guess who, we're from Winnipeg and Burton and Randy and the guests who have them up and just do a couple of songs. Just, just. I think that. [00:12:10] Speaker B: I think we need to start writing some letters so that we make this happen. [00:12:15] Speaker A: All right. [00:12:16] Speaker B: I think we should. And then I think we could also probably participate in the halftime show. [00:12:22] Speaker A: Oh, you want us to participate because we have these mics here in our. Yes, I feel like. But do you remember the videos in the eighties of Band Aid and We are the world, we are the children, they're the ones who make a brighter Jesus. Let's start giving. [00:12:41] Speaker B: There's a choice you make. [00:12:47] Speaker A: Anyway, Carolyn's nice. Carry on. [00:12:52] Speaker B: All right. [00:12:53] Speaker A: So with the current environment at our shows, mostly in Ontario now. Yeah. We are having some issues with, I guess, behavioral issues. That's basically what it comes down to. Behavioral issues from our youngsters. I don't want to go into deep detail, but a couple years ago, some stuff happened. Some happened. There was photos. And today's world, you can't get away with anything. There is. So everybody has a camera. Everybody's on Social Network. You can't get away with anything. So they didn't get away with it. [00:13:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:36] Speaker A: And it got leaked and people saw it and. And things started to snowball after that. [00:13:42] Speaker B: Well, like it always does on social media too. [00:13:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:13:44] Speaker B: So. [00:13:45] Speaker A: And who knows what's true and what's. We had the picture, so I do know what's true. Yeah. But there are other things that got added to it. Yeah. Who knows? You know, there was. Some are. Some are crazy, some are. Some are understandable. Like there was that. What, What I think we need to worry about as a community is our youngsters younger than the handlers that our youngsters, the assistants and below. [00:14:15] Speaker B: Yes. [00:14:16] Speaker A: It almost sounds like a bullying effect. You hear some of that. Once, once one person lets out a story, they just come flying in. We start hearing stories about assistants that were working for handlers and how. [00:14:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:14:30] Speaker A: They were not mistreated or how some of the dogs are treated. And we can't have any of that. We cannot have any of that. And I'm sure. And this is no excuse, but poor choices and alcohol come into play and that's gotta. That's gotta stop. This is a business and it's a 24 hour business. And that's 24 hours in a row. You can't choose your hours. You're open 24 hours because these are animals. So you have to be available for your dogs. The dogs come first. That's just the way it is. Yeah, but when you're making a decision to do something silly or inappropriate, it's got to go through your head. What about the dogs? You cannot, you cannot. [00:15:14] Speaker B: If this, if this happens, are my dogs still safe? [00:15:20] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:15:20] Speaker B: And like, gotta be stuff like that. And it's. That was, that was never a question. I mean, I, you know, I, like I said, I worked for you 20 plus years ago and we had a great time showing dogs. We had, like, we all had fun. Like, not just, you know, you and I, the idiots, but I mean, the whole, the whole group of us, we all had fun. We all did stuff after, you know, after dogs were done. We all, you know, either whether we were out for dinner or, you know, sometimes go to a bar or whatever, but there was always the respect that the dog's safety and care was always. [00:15:57] Speaker A: First, no matter the line that was never crossed. But we enjoyed ourselves. But there was a line that was never crossed that we could still physically go to our dogs aid if we. [00:16:07] Speaker B: Had business and get up the next morning and perform our jobs accordingly too. So. [00:16:14] Speaker A: And I, I don't think that the parties involved should be given a pass. I, I think there should be something. I don't, I don't know what yet. [00:16:23] Speaker B: Some sense of possibilities, of course. [00:16:27] Speaker A: And sometimes the governing bodies don't come forward and look after these things. And so I think even if they don't, I think that the parties involved should publicly come out and apologize or even just step back from the game for a while and do some work on themselves. Yeah, it's really important. And we have to start thinking about people coming indoor source. Like, do we want. How would you feel as a family coming to a dog show and seeing a setup that looks like they're intoxicated in the afternoon? Yeah, you can't have that. You just can't. It, it's just, it's nothing that ever happened with, in my setup. And a couple times early last year, I did see things and I stepped up and I walked over and said, you can't do that. You can't do that. This is your business, this is your livelihood, and you're, you're being paid to look after. Well, I'm all stressed. I don't care how stressed you are. You don't drink when you're working. [00:17:37] Speaker B: Sorry. This ain't the business for you can't be stressed. Geez, no, it's, it's. And you know, unfortunately, that is the culture of. That of. Of a younger generation too. And I. And I'm not gonna say anything about mental health or whatever because I know that there's issues. But I mean, I think we've convinced a lot of people that they have issues as well. And I just. And I. I wish we could just, you know, let's work through it. Like, you can manage it. You can deal with it. Let's go, let's go, let's go. Right. So. [00:18:12] Speaker A: But yeah, it's just I always actually, when I hear those things, when I hear someone going off without how hard their life is, this time I hear your voice in my head going, whatever, Whatever. [00:18:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Anyone? I hear people talk about being stressed. All I think was, beagles are in now. [00:18:36] Speaker A: That was stressy. You guys weren't ready and I had to show my beagle. [00:18:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:41] Speaker A: You. [00:18:41] Speaker B: I had to walk back to the setup to get my beagle because I was watching Springers. [00:18:49] Speaker A: But I. Yeah. All seriousness, though, I. I think that we need to stand back and take a look at our community and start fixing what's wrong. [00:18:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:00] Speaker A: And I've heard you say it lots of times. If something's happening and you see it, step up and say something. [00:19:06] Speaker B: Say something. And if you're not comfortable saying something to the actual party, say it to other parties. [00:19:13] Speaker A: Job done. [00:19:15] Speaker B: The more the people say and not accept the behavior, the more change will come around. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Right, I agree. [00:19:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And that kind of like leads us into your interview that you had with. [00:19:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I. I talked to Mary Dukes. Mary. Mary is a retired professional handler, a retired AKC field rep, and now she's an AKC judge. [00:19:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:39] Speaker A: And she and Shapino have really spearheaded this Darkness into Light program. They started off with a safe sport program. There was videos on Chronicle and whatnot. And I watched all and they were great. They did a great job. I think Stacy Threlfel was involved in those as well. But I called, I called Mary and I wanted to know exactly what this darkness. So here's Mary and myself. And please listen carefully. Hi, everybody. As promised, I have Mary Dukes with me right now, and she's going to explain the darkness to light course. That is initiative of the akc. I'll stop and let Mary take over. Go ahead, Mary. [00:20:22] Speaker C: Good to see you, Will. Yeah, you too. Thanks. It. It. I'll give you. Try to give you a brief history. The AKC register handlers program put in place at the instigation actually of. It came about because of a conversation Carissa and I. Carissa Cimpano and I had an Orlando probably six or seven years ago. And, you know, she has some personal experience, plus she had concerns because she has a daughter. She had all young girls working for her. And there's a history in this sport, and it's certainly not limited to this sport. It's cultural of situations where people can be underage, boys, girls, both can be put in compromising situations. And it's a situation of. It's a balance of power issue. So we talked about that. I brought it to Patty Proctor because we were both RHP coordinators at the time, and I was familiar with safesport because my daughter is a professional horse trainer. And as a professional horse trainer, to compete in USEF events, she has to take safe sport every year. She has to re up on it every year. And that was, as a result of. That was a congressional, US Congressional mandate from all the abuse that happened within the Olympic sports. So anything that falls under the umbrella of an Olympic sport, equestrian events falling under that umbrella, the Congressional Congress mandated that anyone involved in those sports in a. In a power position like that, that worked with youth had to take safe sport. So I was familiar with that, and I figured, well, the RHP was a little. Was a program that I had a little bit of control over. So we just ran with Carissa's idea. I brought it to Tim and Mark Rogers. We were all coordinators at the time, and we just got it pushed in place as a mandatory requirement for all RHP members. At that point, we thought, you know, we can't control. We can try to. We can try to control what we can control. And that is something we had a modicum of control over. It did take us a little longer than we hoped because the board got involved, the aca, and then it becomes a little like Congress, where everybody has to approve it and you know it. So it took an extra six months for it to get in place. So we've had that in place. The RHP program, it had that. We've had that in place for probably five or six years, maybe not long. [00:23:17] Speaker A: I thought it was shorter than that. [00:23:18] Speaker C: Okay, yeah, yeah. But this is safe sport. This is. [00:23:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I remember saying, this is different than. [00:23:24] Speaker C: What we have now. And that was easy for us because we could just sort of step into their template. You know, we didn't have to develop a program. We could just utilize what they had. And then after the Adams I call it the Adams situations this year. The second situation being the Adam King thing. The akc finally, I mean, we were hoping. We. I shouldn't say we. I was hoping that they would step up when Adam Wilkerson became involved in the sport again. But they were very hands off with that. They thought, you know, we can't, we can't do anything. Even though he's a convicted sex offender, we can't do anything about that. And that was a path they chose. And we lost some RHP members at that point because of that, because they chose not to draw the line there. The Adam King thing pushed him over the top. And they. They do. [00:24:30] Speaker B: We do. [00:24:31] Speaker C: They do now. Have we previously, meaning the RHP had put a clause into our application involving, I don't have the exact wording in front of me. It involved, you know, anybody who's convicted of moral turpitude, you know, anybody who has a conviction, essentially a sex crime conviction. It gave us an ability to lock them out. And we had that in place prior to the AKC putting it in place. But then after the Adam King incident, then the AKC did finally decide to jump on it. And they're making all their junior judges, all judges will eventually have to take the Darkness to Light course. And that. The first I heard about that, I wasn't aware of that. The Darkness to Light Red Tater, who's a board of directors member, brought it to my attention. And because he. And I don't know if that's how they got to it. I, I don't know how the AKC got to the Darkness to Light. I've taken them both and frankly, I do think that the Darkness to Light program, the protocol is better suited to our situation because the Safe Sport, we didn't really have any Safe sport. If you're an Olympic sport, they have a whole, they have machinery and infrastructure behind it and a whole protocol. You know, if you, if you suspect someone of being inappropriate, you report it to Safe Sport. And they just take it from their role. They have investigators, they have lawyers, they have all that stuff. We never had access to that because we're not an Olympic sport. So the Darkness to Light program gives average people who are in situations where there are youth and adults, where there are power imbalances. It gives the average person skills, a skill set to use, if you, to address these issues, if you suspect it. And so that's been what's been embraced by the akc. So we just, the RHP program just shifted from Safe Sport to Darkness to Light. And it just about two and a half, three hours. It's not a short course, but it's. And you don't have to do it in one sitting. But it's so valuable in terms of just opening people's eyes to this. [00:27:15] Speaker A: I mean, like, it's almost like a seminar that you're taking. [00:27:17] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like a seminar. It's like a seminar and, and it's online, you know, and you do it on the computer and. Because I know after. I don't know if you're familiar with the Chronicle interview that Carissa and I. [00:27:30] Speaker A: Yes, of course. [00:27:31] Speaker C: Stacy did. [00:27:33] Speaker A: I watched all those. Yes. [00:27:34] Speaker C: Yeah. After, after that. I mean, I had, I was still a rep at the time, but I had multiple judges etc, come up to me and say, we had no idea that any of this was happening, you know. Well, there's some of us that do know that this was happening, you know, that we, we've had Stevie feelings over the years about the situation years, but nobody really, we didn't. We were never. Nobody knew what to do with it, you know. So I think the beauty of the Darkness to Light course is that it gives you the individual tools, a toolkit to. And it's not going to be comfortable. I mean, they tell you, you know, there are times you're going to have to do, you know, you're going to have to do things that are not comfortable, but it gives you a toolkit to use. And since this has, you know, become a thing, I can't tell you the amount of people who have, men and women who have reached out to me privately and said, hey, I, I had this happen when I was a kid. And, and it's. Some of it's dog related, some of it's not, you know, some of it's babysitters. I think everybody has a story. I think every woman has a story, for sure. I mean, I have stories. They're not dramatic. Mine in a big picture kind of a way, are not dramatic like many are. But everybody has a story, you know. So I think it. And I think the hope of this whole thing, I think when we first. So how this initially thing. See, I'm going to ramble on how this second phase sort of got rolling and because now we have Show Safe. Show Safe is a whole big. I mean, it's a big machine and it's really debuting in Orlando and that's when it's big launches and it's, it's machinery. And how that started is after the Adam King thing, Lindsay Fetters who's a Vizsla girl, owner, handler, breeder, who has a story, came to me and said. Or she messaged me and she said, what if there was something we could do? What if there was something? What if we just encourage people to take the show or the SAFE support program, and if they take it, we give them a pin, a little pin, just to. It's about broadening awareness and it's about making more people aware and more eyes at the dog show aware of things that look skeevy and things that are inappropriate. So we all can police ourselves, you know, so we don't have to wait for the next guy to say something or think, whoa, that looks really, really fishy, because we're gonna have to be the ones to step up and say something. But it's a matter of education and having everybody on the same page in its awareness. It's just awareness, physical awareness, awareness of situations. One of the situations with one of the people that I have mentioned already, he took his victim at a dog show into a club closet, you know, like a. Like a cleaning closet, and, you know, abused her there. She was his assistant. She was 14 years old. You know, I mean, this happens. Sorry, you're probably gonna have to bleep that out, but. And it's about making everybody aware of when you see that stuff, for your antenna to go up and address it and do what you can from where you are to stop it. So. [00:31:18] Speaker A: So can anybody take this lightness to dark course? [00:31:21] Speaker C: I've taken it. Yeah. I mean, I've taken it. All the RHP members had to take it. Right now all it's going to be phased in for all AKC judges. All AKC judges. Because again, the more eyes on the ground that have taken it. [00:31:39] Speaker A: Right. [00:31:40] Speaker C: The more people are going to be aware. And also now anyone who. Which is really brilliant, I'm glad that they, The AKC board decided to go this way. Anyone who represents themselves as an agent and wishes to have their name in the catalog as an agent has to take the course. We could do it for RHP members for forever, but we're like a small elite group. And that doesn't hit most of the potential skeevy people out there that are. That are potentially going to be in this situation to most take advantage of it. So. And will it solve everything? But no, it won't. [00:32:24] Speaker A: But no, it definitely helps. [00:32:26] Speaker C: Eyes on the ground. [00:32:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:28] Speaker A: The. [00:32:28] Speaker C: The more people are aware, the more people are, you know, aware of their surroundings. I. I think the better. [00:32:38] Speaker A: Do you suggest as like I'm a, I'm a Canadian judge that judges in America as well. But there's a bunch of us up here. We should pro all take that. [00:32:45] Speaker C: I think you should all take it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not. And it's, it's. I mean for. I think the pro. Because I went in and took it before it was a mandatory thing. It's $19, I think 19 U.S. so it's not, you know, disproportionately expensive. The AKC is paying for it for all AKC judges and I believe the rhp, I was out of it by the time I had retired. Yay me. I had retired by the time that it became a requirement for the RHP members. But you know, the fee, the amount of the fee is nominal. It's $19. Anybody can go on to the Darkness to Light website and sign up for the course. [00:33:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I googled it and I found all that out. I think it's a great idea for all us up here to do it as well. [00:33:38] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree, I agree. Because again, you know, it's, it's not a, it's certainly not limited to the dog show world. It's a societal situation worldwide. So. [00:33:51] Speaker A: Oh yes, always. It's been with us forever. [00:33:53] Speaker C: It always has been. Always has been. You know, so, you know, the best we can do is educate and prevent. In fact, the. I'm trying to remember the Show Show Safe, which is the new organization. I mean it's turned going to be a big machine, but it's prevent, recognize, respond is there three. And I think if we can all do the best we can do within that framework, then it's taken a step forward. [00:34:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that's great idea. I'm glad they're implementing that and I hope everybody up here will, will follow suit because we have issues up here as well. [00:34:37] Speaker C: So everybody, you know, again, it's, it's a societal thing. It just gives us some tools to, to address it. [00:34:47] Speaker A: Oh, I really appreciate you coming on here and explaining that to us. [00:34:50] Speaker C: No problem, no problem. [00:34:51] Speaker A: We kind of, we didn't know we weren't in the know of it all. Yeah, that's all right. [00:34:56] Speaker C: Right, right, right. Well, hopefully this has helped a little bit. No problem. Happy to do it. [00:35:02] Speaker B: I hope you. [00:35:03] Speaker A: Those are some really, those were some really good points that Mary had and I think anybody should take that course. We talked about that. But I think anybody. The AKC eventually is going to have all judges take the course and all the registered handler program. They have to take the Course, if they want to be in the catalog saying they're an agent. [00:35:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I saw that the AKC stepped up and that's now a requirement, which is. Which is excellent. And really for what did Mary say it was $19 US and a few hours of your life. Seriously, just get it done. And, you know, as you and I, you know, judging, starting to judge, you know, get this. [00:35:43] Speaker A: There's no question I'm gonna do it. And like, married. I think she did. She didn't come up and say, I don't think. But I think the Canadian judges or foreign judges should go ahead and get it done too, because at some point, the AK ask them to do it. So just get it done and have it done. Have it in your resume or your portfolio and then take heed to what they're saying. So. [00:36:04] Speaker B: Yeah. And, you know, it goes back to the. More people, like, more eyes on seeing things and saying things. I think we're. At least we'll have a fighting chance at reducing the stuff that shouldn't be happening. [00:36:18] Speaker A: Right. And like Mary said, it's been going on for generations. [00:36:22] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:36:23] Speaker A: Generations. [00:36:24] Speaker B: It has. [00:36:24] Speaker A: The dawn of time has been going on. [00:36:27] Speaker B: And like she said, like, everybody has a story. Well, you know, how severe your story is. [00:36:32] Speaker A: How severe it is. Right? [00:36:33] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:36:34] Speaker A: Even I had stories. And I. When she was bringing up these, these, these. When we're talking about. I started thinking about some of the stories that happened to me as a young man showing dogs in Canada and the U. S. I have stories too. [00:36:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:46] Speaker A: So. [00:36:47] Speaker B: And I think the. The other thing now going for, like, going forward, but for us, our generation, we were kind of always told, you know, you respect your elder. [00:37:00] Speaker A: Right. [00:37:00] Speaker B: Right. And especially for us girls smile and just, you know, and we were expected to remove ourselves from the situation. Right. Instead of, you know, some old guy stopped talking to me like that. Right. So anyway. [00:37:17] Speaker A: But we talk about people stepping up when they see things happen. When I was a kid, and that was like 12 or 13 when I was still, I was helping handlers and whatnot, and things were said to you, and you just, you know, laughed it off. My. One of my dearest friends and one of the person I learned a lot from showing dogs about showing dogs was Garrett Lambert. He stepped up, and I remember him getting in between into this person's face for saying those things to me. So, yeah, we need those people. We need Garretts. [00:37:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So anyway, that's pretty intense for us. [00:37:59] Speaker A: Let's get off catch stuff now. [00:38:02] Speaker B: So let's. [00:38:03] Speaker A: What did you? Go ahead. [00:38:07] Speaker B: So let's. [00:38:07] Speaker A: Floor is yours. [00:38:09] Speaker B: Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. I'd like to talk about what happened this weekend. Dog shows across the country. [00:38:22] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:38:23] Speaker B: How about that? [00:38:23] Speaker A: I have to switch pages then. I thought we were gonna do what we found on the Internet, though. [00:38:27] Speaker B: No, that's not until later. Did you even read my little agenda? Oh, my brother's K. [00:38:39] Speaker A: All right. Okay, go ahead. [00:38:41] Speaker B: All right. So there was three shows. [00:38:44] Speaker A: I don't know the Stomping Tom song, though. I'd sing it if I did, so. [00:38:48] Speaker B: Yes. [00:38:48] Speaker A: You know, I've been everywhere, man. That's it. Okay. [00:38:54] Speaker B: Well, yes, but hopefully we can get. [00:38:56] Speaker A: Doc to put that in there. But I'm not sure if that. If there's a copyright issue with that. [00:38:59] Speaker B: So we'll just play a short amount of it. [00:39:02] Speaker A: Or we could just sing. Go ahead. The floor is yours again. [00:39:07] Speaker B: Anyhow, so three shows across the country. We'll start out in Newfoundland. [00:39:13] Speaker A: I love Newfoundland. [00:39:14] Speaker B: Yes, Newfoundland. So they had four limited shows Saturday and Sunday. And the judges out there were Mr. Patrick Mudge, Maribel Sy, Mary Spinelli, and Dr. Terrell Utenberg. And that's a far trip for terrible because that. That's all the way across the country. [00:39:34] Speaker A: I watched most of those best shows at least the morning once I did because it was two a day. So I. I actually. Because show scene or CDF and Dog Fanciers, one or the other is always live streaming it. [00:39:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:45] Speaker A: So I. I do enjoy it. And I'll tell you, when I was in my hospital bed, that saved me a lot. I watched a lot of dogs. Anyway, go on, carry on about the Newfoundland. [00:39:53] Speaker B: All right, so their entry for Friday was about. Or pardon me, Saturday was 68 and Saturday 65. They're kind of down this year from last year. It's hard to say as to why. Maybe the same thing. Like, nobody has puppies left. [00:40:09] Speaker A: Like, God bless them. It's a great. And they're there. They want everybody there. But it's so hard to get there with your dog. [00:40:17] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's really, really tough. So, yeah, unfortunately, their entry was down about 15 to 20 dogs from the previous year. But who knows, maybe next year they'll be up. And I believe that's the last show of the year there for Newfoundland. Yep, that's it for them. [00:40:33] Speaker A: So I love Newfoundland. I was there twice years ago. I really enjoyed myself there. So then in Ontario, we had the Georgina Kennel Club, and that was November 15th, 16th and 17th. And they had on the panel was Irene Lachford, Jocelyn Gagne, Peter Laventhal Wolffish. And it looks like entries. They all hovered around the two. It was. Friday was 256. Saturday was 293. Sunday was 277. And they had some limited shows. And they. They did pretty well. You know, the group five did 65 dogs. Group one did 75 dogs. It was. It was. It was up from last year. Friday. Friday, last year was under 200 dogs. So they bumped up. And that's good to see. That's a nice kennel club. It's. It's had to move around a couple times now. It's in Lindsay, and Lindsay is like our Springfield. We have a lot of shows in Lindsay now, and it's. And we all know the restaurants and things, so it's. It's a fun place to go. [00:41:40] Speaker B: Yeah, it's nice. And apparently they're building a new hotel there too, right? [00:41:44] Speaker A: Yeah, they're building a new hotel there. And actually our. Our show, the old Linda Lawrence and myself and Daria, the old Europe and Rob, Old York Kennel Club will be moving there. Not this year. Not this coming year, the year after. Because our numbers have. Our numbers have gone up, so. Nice. [00:42:03] Speaker B: Nice. And the last show was out west in Lethbridge, the Lethbridge and District Kennel Club. Their judges were Lynn White, David Gilmore, Lucy Parody, our friend Judith Taylor. And they, too, they were slightly down about 25 dogs a day. [00:42:21] Speaker A: Wow. [00:42:22] Speaker B: Friday had just over 200, Saturday was 226, and Sunday was 216. And they also had limited shows. The limited show still kind of held the same number. So that's, you know, that's a good thing. [00:42:35] Speaker A: I wonder why Lethbridge would be down, though, because I. In the last few years, it seems like the western shows were always going up, so. [00:42:42] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I don't know. Maybe it's just that weekend because what was last. [00:42:47] Speaker A: Do they have snow there already? [00:42:49] Speaker B: No, but the weather can get pretty yucky, you know. Yeah, for sure. But I mean, that's. Entries are entries, but I don't know. They've. They have quite a few shows in a row now. Right. And kind of all in the same area. So, you know, maybe people. This year, Lethbridge wasn't the show they chose because it's not this weekend. Evelyn Kenny, is it? [00:43:13] Speaker A: We have to look that up and see. What's your job, Garcia? [00:43:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:16] Speaker B: Oh, Carolyn, find out if Evelyn Kenny's this week. I actually think it's next week. I actually don't Think it's this weekend. [00:43:24] Speaker A: I think it's. Well, this week. Coming up though is the Aurora Kennel Club in Toronto and it's held in conjunction with the Pet Expo. Grant Crosman runs the whole operation, basically. [00:43:35] Speaker B: That's a fantastic site. [00:43:36] Speaker A: Is that still where, like International Center. And I'm going to go on this Saturday and. And see a bunch of people and watch our setters. I believe Frank Kane is judging our setter Saturday morning, so I want to go take a look, watch them. It'll be fun, though. I'm looking forward to the. The show this weekend. It's a very. It's a busy show and it reminds me of days gone by. Because it's a busy show. [00:44:01] Speaker B: Because there's not just. Because it's not just the dog show. They. No, that expo is mental. [00:44:08] Speaker A: Reptiles, cats, you name it, they're there. [00:44:12] Speaker B: So they have like a rabbit show there too. Like, I think so a bunch of stuff that goes on. [00:44:16] Speaker A: And it has a food concession, like the old sportsman show. You can get anything you want. Just joking. I don't know, maybe there might be a Thunder Bay section where you can get a beer at noon. [00:44:35] Speaker B: Noon. [00:44:36] Speaker A: But anyway, back to across Canada. It's this time of year. I remember when I was showing dogs if I was in the rankings, I was in the running for number one position. I always came out with hives this time of year. Hives or dandruff, surely. No. Oh, no. I used to get cold sores this time of year. I'm stressing myself out. [00:45:01] Speaker B: And I used to name it Shirley. [00:45:03] Speaker A: Shirley. So I would say, slowly but surely, I'm getting a cold store. And she and Yvonne would say, oh, it's nice that you named it. So for the next five years, the fall came around and Shirley showed up. [00:45:16] Speaker B: Yep. Shirley was our travel companion. [00:45:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:22] Speaker A: So the race is on. Like the race is on is on. [00:45:25] Speaker B: And I don't know if the top dog will be able to be caught, but there is a lot of jockeying. [00:45:32] Speaker A: You'll be surprised with the numbers that happen in the fall. [00:45:35] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. You can't. Nothing. [00:45:39] Speaker A: I wouldn't be sleeping soundly. [00:45:41] Speaker B: No, no. Oh. [00:45:46] Speaker A: And then if it's so much easier. [00:45:48] Speaker B: Now to the dog, I would be. [00:45:50] Speaker A: Like, but it's so much easier now because we. We have Canuck dogs. So it's easier to kind of keep track of things. When I was younger, we used to have to like, got to do it ourselves. And the best one at it was always Bob Whitney. Bob Whitney would have it down to 10 dogs. [00:46:07] Speaker B: Exactly. And nothing to do with the fact that, you know, like, he's an accountant type person. [00:46:12] Speaker A: Oh, exactly. But they remember one time our friend, friend of the show, Doug Beltra, was still living in Canada and he had a top. He had a top winning terrier. I think it was a wire fox terror. And at the end of the weekend, Credit Valley was our last show that at that time. And it was always a big show. Even back then it was like 900 dogs a day. [00:46:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:34] Speaker A: Which is big for Canada, considering America has more people in New York State than we have in Canada. [00:46:39] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:46:41] Speaker A: I remember him walking up to Bob and asking Bob how many points he had. And Bob being Bob, he told him right. As close as he thought he did. And our friend Doug was like, ah, I think I beat you this year. Well, he didn't. I think Doug was just getting into the metric system. Then he was doubling it nad 30 because Bob ended up winning with his bull terrier. But those were fun times. Like, I like those times because we didn't know who was. Who were the winners, you know, for sure. [00:47:15] Speaker B: Basically was, wasn't it? We used to just basically account like 10 for absence. [00:47:20] Speaker A: Right. And back then we used to like. Because I was showing mainly sporting dogs. [00:47:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:24] Speaker A: Every replacement was almost 100 points, which is a lot for up here. But that was an average. And then I would just add on my. The best. It shows the dog won. And I would be pretty close. Not as close as Bob, but pretty close. But you can't do that now. We don't. [00:47:39] Speaker B: No. And now we know. [00:47:40] Speaker A: But you can. You can follow along on Connect Dogs and know almost exactly where your dog stands. [00:47:46] Speaker B: Yeah. So pretty exciting. [00:47:48] Speaker A: What do we have coming up? This closing? [00:47:53] Speaker B: I do know. [00:47:55] Speaker A: Hold on. I know you do. That was part of your job to find closing. It says right here closing. And the show's upcoming next weekend. Yeah. [00:48:03] Speaker B: Thanks. So watch this. There's the bus. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Marilyn. [00:48:10] Speaker B: What'S closing this week? Do you have this website, Carol. I know, I'm looking up what's closing. There was actually nothing closing this week. [00:48:20] Speaker A: Are you sure? [00:48:21] Speaker B: Yes. Why do you always doubt me? There was nothing closing this week. What am I trying to find either weekly summer. Oh, calendar. See, no, there's nothing closing this week because. [00:48:35] Speaker A: Well, what's the next closing date then? [00:48:37] Speaker B: I am looking at it. [00:48:40] Speaker A: Always. [00:48:45] Speaker B: Well, this is so much pressure. [00:48:48] Speaker A: Well, it says here on this agenda that it was supposed to be done. So I think someone's going to be called into the office after this is over. [00:48:58] Speaker B: The post. The post podcast meeting is gonna be tough. These dates have all passed December. Oh, I probably really should take out some of the agility stuff. That would be easier if I. Branford. Nope, that just closed. [00:49:17] Speaker A: Branford closed. I have a really good judge there. Yes. [00:49:20] Speaker B: I heard Todd Foley's coming. Let's see. Oh, that's just rallying obedience. Rallying, obviously. [00:49:35] Speaker A: Well, next week will be more on the ball. This week we're gonna. We're gonna jump ahead. We're gonna have. We have more segments coming up. We have other things. Like next week. Yvonne, I want us to do this. [00:49:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:49:48] Speaker A: Because dog shows. Our. Our podcast is based on the drive to a dog show, right? [00:49:54] Speaker B: Correct. [00:49:54] Speaker A: And what is always on the drive or at near the dog show areas? [00:49:59] Speaker B: Coffee. [00:50:00] Speaker A: Coffee shops. Right. And most dog show people live on coffee. So I think it'd be interesting if we compared says that in. In our shows, the most common places to get coffee are Starbucks, Tim Hortons or McDonald's. [00:50:16] Speaker B: Donald's. [00:50:17] Speaker A: Correct. So I think we should compare those coffees and come out with a will and why rating of the best coffees in Canada. [00:50:27] Speaker B: Exactly. We could do that. You don't even. [00:50:31] Speaker A: And we're gonna also gonna. We want. If a new statement is asked professional. So if you have any questions. [00:50:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:38] Speaker A: And not. And we then why myself can pass it on to a professional and find out what the answer is. [00:50:44] Speaker B: Professional. Professional. [00:50:47] Speaker A: So. [00:50:48] Speaker B: Or if you want to ask a judge a question, you know, either, you know why. Why judges have to do certain things when they're in the ring or, you know, what irritates a judge the most, etc. Those kind of things. [00:51:02] Speaker A: What I always find is most interesting is if you're at a ringside and there's say 10 dogs in the ring and somebody at ringside says, how can he not see that dog? Because he's got to give every dog two plus minutes. And if your dog is not in that moment, in that two plus well, performing well in that two and a half minutes or whatever he gives you. [00:51:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:51:25] Speaker A: He looks back at your dog or that dog and it's a pretzel and you're trying to put it back together again. It's a hard call until you're in the middle of the ring doing the pointing. It's really hard to do. It's easy to be a ringside ringside judge. It's really easy because you have 20 minutes to figure out which is the best one. And you can sit there and see everything they do where the judge has he has to go through those 10 dogs and give each dog its due time. Your ckc. So. Yeah, not as easy as it looks. Yvonne, thanks. [00:51:59] Speaker B: Well, glad you cleared that up. The other thing we want to bring into the show too is some history. [00:52:05] Speaker A: Right. [00:52:06] Speaker B: We would like to do some history and that being people that have been in our sport. Oh, you know what, we should just pop over to this real quick. This month has been a hard month for us as far as dog show departures. [00:52:22] Speaker A: It's been a hard year. Well, this, this month think like end of October, November. [00:52:28] Speaker B: We were getting hit hard and fast. Hard and fast. [00:52:32] Speaker A: Yeah. October 28th, we lost an icon to our world up here. Harold butler. Harold was 87 years old. He been showing dogs probably since Jesus was a baby. Oh, you don't want to get religion to this. [00:52:51] Speaker B: Sorry. [00:52:54] Speaker A: I think he started in the 50s anyway. [00:52:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:57] Speaker A: And he, he was always a top ranked handler. He mostly showed it mostly started from Quebec. He actually lived in Ontario as a youngster and he moved to Quebec. Yeah. He. What I. I love what I love. When I think about Harold, I think about those old cdf, the original can dog fancier ads where him dressed up as Santa Claus with Pharaoh the greyhound. Laura Brooks sporting chance. And it became almost a storyline to see what Harold and Farrell were going to do on the next cover. Yes. He touched so many handlers lives in their careers as being a mentor. As for giving us crap when we deserve to get crap. Oh yeah. Giving us praise when we deserve praise. [00:53:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:49] Speaker A: But his, his model was old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill. But it was interesting the different errors you think of Harold. Like I love the era of Susan Hillman and Harold Butler. [00:54:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:06] Speaker A: Because they were so close. They were such friends and when they, they lived on almost opposite ends. [00:54:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:12] Speaker A: And when they got together it was like they hadn't been no part. [00:54:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:16] Speaker A: And they would sing Me and my Bobby McGee and they would have their cigarettes and, and their drink after the show and it was just. Was fun to be around. [00:54:25] Speaker B: It was. [00:54:26] Speaker A: So. Yeah. Our world's gonna miss Harold Butler. [00:54:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And then out, out in the west, Jerry Taylor. She. Yeah. Geraldine Taylor. She passed beginning of November on the 5th and she, she passed away of cancer. And I just had seen, I just had seen her in April and I'm telling you she looked, she looked great. [00:54:51] Speaker A: She always looked great. She judged here at Laura Gorge a few years back and I thought she was great. She was on the ball. She was 86 years old and I don't I don't think she was a young 86 like she was. [00:55:03] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. Like I would if. The only reason why I would even gather that she would have been that age is because I've known her like forever. Right. [00:55:12] Speaker A: For sure. Her and George at the Fort Gary Kennel Club. [00:55:15] Speaker B: Yep. 30. 30 something plus years. [00:55:18] Speaker A: My favorite Fort Carrie Kennel Club is I was into one of the dressing rooms getting ready and George and Jerry ran the show. So they, they didn't. They. They would. They didn't want me, anybody to be late, especially somebody that flew into their show. And I was in there and I was doing some work on my Be just touching things up and George comes barging into the dressing room. He said, rembrandt, you're gonna miss Beagles. [00:55:45] Speaker B: That's good old George. Yeah, but they were. I mean, they woven into the fabric of Manitoba, for sure. [00:55:51] Speaker A: Oh, no question. Yeah. [00:55:53] Speaker B: Without fail. And then sadly, Neil Grates passed away and I had. I didn't realize. I knew they had moved away. Him and Wendy had retired, but. And they were living in Ecuador. Yeah. And Neil, he was. [00:56:09] Speaker A: We don't know his age, but he was mid-70s, maybe. [00:56:13] Speaker B: Yeah, mid to late 70s. And. Well, he was a firefighter. He'd been a firefighter for 32 years for the city of Calgary. [00:56:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:21] Speaker B: So. And they bred some beautiful losses. Beautiful. [00:56:24] Speaker A: He was an Aubrey Judge for a lot of those years. [00:56:27] Speaker B: Yes, he was. [00:56:28] Speaker A: And he was. Neil was a good judge. You always got a good, you know, when you enter your dog and O'Neill, he gave you a fair shake. And he was always extremely pleasant to show to. Oh, yeah. [00:56:39] Speaker B: And like so easy to get along with too. You know, he was always on an even keel. Very little ever upset him, you know, as far like when you watched him in the ring, you know, the patience of Job. Oh, they're me. [00:56:53] Speaker A: Would you stop it? [00:56:54] Speaker B: I don't know. Maybe I have to go to church on Sunday. I'm not sure. Anyway. [00:57:00] Speaker A: Bolt now, Doc. [00:57:05] Speaker B: So anyway, that was. It was like. Yeah, it was really. [00:57:08] Speaker A: That was a rough, rough couple weeks there for us, for sure. [00:57:12] Speaker B: But speaking, Speaking with that, you know, history, we'll. We're gonna talk about some people that have been with us in the past. [00:57:21] Speaker A: But we're a huge impactful members of our community. And not like handlers, judges, breeders, even builders, because there are some builders out there that built shows that became iconic shows for us. Yes. [00:57:36] Speaker B: Yeah. And then the. Yeah. So we're going to talk about small shows too. And what other things are we going to talk about. [00:57:48] Speaker A: I just. I want to touch on. I'd like to touch on what happens in the ckc. We'll have to look into that though. This is what's going on. I like to keep people updated as best because I want to myself be updated. [00:58:01] Speaker B: Yes, because it's a. That's a daunting task at time keeping yourself updated. [00:58:06] Speaker A: Right. You didn't even. Didn't even mention my T shirt yet. [00:58:11] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. What's on your T shirt, Will? [00:58:13] Speaker A: You know who that is? [00:58:15] Speaker B: Oh, I actually do. Yes. [00:58:17] Speaker A: That's Zach Hyman, the artist work. Hardest working player in the NHL. Zach Hyman. That's why my favorite player. I wish he was still in the lease, but he's my favorite player. Zach. I used to show his dad's old English sheepdogs. [00:58:32] Speaker B: Yes. [00:58:32] Speaker A: I've known Zach since he was a youngster and he's always been the most polite person young man. Even now. I went to a game a few years ago with. With his dad and met him after the game. And you never know. He was a NHL superstar. Just the way he talks to everybody. [00:58:50] Speaker B: Oh, there's my phone. My phone is having issues today. [00:58:54] Speaker A: Is it what it. What did it say? Language. Language. Language. [00:59:00] Speaker B: So is that a Stanley cup behind you there will, beside your Oscar. [00:59:06] Speaker A: My Oscar. They like me. They really like me. That's the winky and yes, that's the Stanley cup, which I'm sure I'll be a part of a victorious team at some point in my career. Anyway, let's get on with the show. On with the show. This is it. [00:59:27] Speaker B: On with the show or can we close the show? [00:59:30] Speaker A: Well, we're gonna close the show. We have one more thing I want. [00:59:34] Speaker B: Yes, Language. [00:59:39] Speaker A: I was watching my language. I wasn't gonna swear. [00:59:42] Speaker B: Carolyn, take my phone. I don't know why it's on. Oh, I do know why it's on because I forgot to put it on. [00:59:48] Speaker A: You need to get a hold of us. You can get a hold of us@dogshowtips gmail.com and have subject dog show drive Canada and ask your question. That question can be anything you want it to be. It can be about advertising on on the show club shout outs. [01:00:05] Speaker B: Yes. [01:00:06] Speaker A: And if you have any of those questions, our. Our staff will be happy to send you off a letter explaining all those things to you. [01:00:12] Speaker B: Yes, I think. Carolyn. [01:00:16] Speaker A: Carolyn. [01:00:20] Speaker B: I don't really think she signed up for this, but that's what. Yeah, definitely. If people want some advertising. Yeah, for sure. Get in touch with us. You want to do a spotlight on your show. [01:00:40] Speaker A: You want us to write you a song and sing it for you? [01:00:42] Speaker B: Oh, we'll do that. [01:00:43] Speaker A: Do anything here on the Canadian Dog Show Drive. [01:00:46] Speaker B: Yes, we will. [01:00:50] Speaker A: I'm looking forward to that. You know who is sometimes at the pet expo? [01:00:55] Speaker B: Who? [01:00:56] Speaker A: John Cherry. [01:00:57] Speaker B: Get out. [01:00:58] Speaker A: Because he has a booth there, the Don Cherry Rescue. And I'm gonna go see and see if he's there. [01:01:04] Speaker B: Can you get him like get him on, get him on our show. [01:01:08] Speaker A: Work on it. I'll work on it. John, we want you on the show. [01:01:13] Speaker B: Please. [01:01:16] Speaker A: We won't have Ron on, I promise. [01:01:19] Speaker B: Listen, you kids. [01:01:23] Speaker A: Anyway, that's it for this week's Dog Show Drive. So everybody out there driving to the dog show. [01:01:30] Speaker B: Seat belts on, glasses on. [01:01:33] Speaker A: Right. Stay safe out there, guys. Thank you. [01:01:36] Speaker B: Thanks. Bye.